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mwalkerm is not online. Last active: 1/25/2005 7:30:58 PM mwalkerm
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Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 02 Jan 2005 07:44 PM
Hello,

I read the MSDN Library "Creating Custom Effects and Transitions in Windows Movie Maker" knowledge base article which instructs you on how to edit an XML file so that you can pass different parameters to the functions that create the bundled effects and transitions (and hence make slightly different ones - e.g. a 2 spoke wheel transition versus the default 4 spoke wheel one).

I was wondering if there was a similar way to alter the Titling.

I'm making a photo slideshow (using Movie Maker over Photo Story so I can synch transitions with a music beat - amongst other stuff). To label the photos I'm using the News Banner Title 'cause it nicely fades in and out, is relatively subtle, and it can overlay pictures so that I can maintain consistent subtitling throughout my movie regardless of the background picture's colour.

However....I would prefer it so that it was closer to the bottom of the screen so that it didn't block the picture so much (Subtitle doesn't suffice as you can only seem to select a transparent background); and there's a lot of "leader" blankspace in the title so that it extends most of the way across the screen. Summarising, I'd like News Banner Titles tucked more to the bottom, and more to the left. Ideally, I was hoping that I could pass parameters in an XML file to specify these changes.

Is there a way ? Or even another way ?

Thankyou,

mwalkerm
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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 03 Jan 2005 12:27 AM
Tweaking of effects and transitions was provided for, but not text clips.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 14 Jan 2005 07:44 PM
More proof that there's a simple answer to everything (well, some of everything): I managed to get rid of a lot of that "leader" blankspace in the News Banner Title by using the highly technical method of.....changing the paragraph formatting. I was originally using the default of centre alignment. Left alignment better suited my purposes.

I've learnt to put up with it not being as close to the bottom as I would like.
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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 24 Feb 2005 09:55 PM
"Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?"
Now there's a challenge ....

.... Yes, now you can!

Not one to take "No" for answer, I did a bit of digging in the executable moviemk.exe (I've got version 2.0) and found that there are resources containing the XML for the built-in titles in
RT_XML/TITLES1 and RT_XML/TITLES2
I extracted this XML, changed "nameID" to "name" and "DescriptionID" to "Description" (as we do for custom transtiions) then started playing around to find out which effects are which and what values can be used for parameters.
As a simple example, you all know the typewriter title where the text comes out near the top of screen. Well by changing the "VerticalAlignment" parameter, you can move this lower.

Just put this XML in the same place as your customised effects and transitions.
You might notice that the title preview can get a little confused when you change between these title effects but the storyboard preview seems to be ok.

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">

<Title name="Typewriter Top (original)" iconid="13" EffectID="{7A528FF7-2913-4501-99F5-B4385AC5583B}">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="Typing text one letter at a time" />
<Param name="OptimalDurationMultiplier" value="2.0"/>
<Param name="ForceProgress" value="1.0" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="MainEffect" value="EffectTypeWriter" />
<Param name="VerticalAlignment" value="Top" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>

<Title name="Typewriter Centre" iconid="13" EffectID="{7A528FF7-2913-4501-99F5-B4385AC5583B}">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="Typing text one letter at a time" />
<Param name="OptimalDurationMultiplier" value="2.0"/>
<Param name="ForceProgress" value="1.0" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="MainEffect" value="EffectTypeWriter" />
<Param name="VerticalAlignment" value="Center" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>

<Title name="Typewriter Bottom" iconid="13" EffectID="{7A528FF7-2913-4501-99F5-B4385AC5583B}">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="Typing text one letter at a time" />
<Param name="OptimalDurationMultiplier" value="2.0"/>
<Param name="ForceProgress" value="1.0" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="MainEffect" value="EffectTypeWriter" />
<Param name="VerticalAlignment" value="Bottom" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>

</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

Note that I used the free tool Resource Hacker to look at the XML resources - the same tool I now use to create DLLs with customised transition bitmaps.
You could also get some idea of the XML from the MM project files themselves.

So now the challenge is on to create some interesting customised text effects...

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ? Yes!
Posted: 24 Feb 2005 10:08 PM
p.s. some of the titles didn't seem to work with the extracted XML and caused MM to crash.
So you might want to experiment with titles a couple at a time rather than dumping all of them into one XML file.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ? Yes!
Posted: 25 Feb 2005 06:06 AM
Glow, thanks for blowing the secret... :)

I also found it some time ago and have been experimenting with it. I held this secret for a long time with the intention to make a tool to make custome titles but it is not going anywhere as the effort required to make it a useful tool are beyond the budget of my spare time.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ? Yes!
Posted: 25 Feb 2005 07:23 AM
Very interesting guys. This sounds like something
I could have some fun with, or at least waste some
time trying some things. Great work Glow...maybe I
should get a copy of the Resource Hacker. Or I can
just let guys like you and Rehan do all the heavy
lifting, and I'll just do the fun stuff.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ? Yes!
Posted: 25 Feb 2005 07:28 AM
I've got the feeling Microsoft wanted the secret to be found - they didn't exactly encrypt it, placing the plain text XML in clearly labelled resources (of course the credit title effects are in the RT_XML/CREDITS)

So now I've blown the thinly-veiled "secret" do you think we can convince Microsoft (Dean Rowe are you reading this?) to publish all the details of text titles to save us working it out for ourselves?

Lots of us have been asking about customised titles (I was motivated in this quest by the most recent post asking about the typewriter in the bottom left hand corner - hence the example).
I think it can only benefit the Movie Maker product if users can get more out of it and we can leverage the talents of those users.

I have a first draft of the commented XML and I'll upload it next week unless someone else who knows the secret cares to do it (or Microsoft takes out an injunction).

p.s. I take back what I said about some of the titles not working - of course they all work except when I lean on the keyboard and accidentally add spurious lettersZ or 0digits :)


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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ? Yes!
Posted: 25 Feb 2005 08:06 AM
dlk,
if you want to have some fun, here's the newspaper title with plenty of parameters to play with - enjoy!


<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">
<Title name="@Newspaper" iconid="13" EffectID="{102BA5E7-886C-42a0-A32B-D564B22436CD}">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleMultiTitles"/>
<Param name="Description" value="Spins and zooms in (overlay)"/>
<Param name="OptimalDurationMultiplier" value="2.0"/>
<Param name="LogoBitmapFilename" value="news.png"/>
<Param name="LogoRect" value="0.075 0.075 0.85 0.85"/>
<Param name="EntranceVideoRect" value="0.38 0.41 0.35 0.35"/>
<Param name="MainVideoRect" value="0.38 0.41 0.35 0.35"/>
<Param name="ExitVideoRect" value="0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0"/>
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.5"/>
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectRotate"/>
<Param name="EntranceZoom" value="0.01 0.01"/>
<Param name="MainZoom" value="1.0 1.0"/>
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0"/>
<Param name="ForceFrontColor1" value="#FF505050"/>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="true"/>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.075 0.8 0.15"/>
<Param name="MaxCharacterCount" value="32"/>
</Paragraph>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="true"/>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.25 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="MaxCharacterCount" value="32"/>
</Paragraph>
</Title>
</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>


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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ? Yes!
Posted: 25 Feb 2005 08:06 AM
Glow,
You make a good point, anything that allows users to
get more out of Movie Maker should benefit everyone.
Without a doubt, MM is supposed to enhance the
value of Windows XP. That is it's purpose in life,
since making movies is not an intergral function
of the operating system. So the problem is, and we
have seen this with WinME, Microsoft uses MM as
part of it's upgrade incentive. IMCO(In My Cynical
Opinion)...anything cool that Microsoft adds to
Movie Maker will be in Movie Maker 3, and that
will be part of Longhorn. Even though it could
work in WinXP, and any new version of DirectX
will still run on XP, Microsoft will tell us that MM3
is intergrated with the new 3-D desktop, or
some such nonesense. But...maybe Microsoft
will surprise me.

dlk
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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 25 Feb 2005 05:23 PM
thank you very much glow it was almost exactly what i needed i just need it on the lower left ...but thank you very much for the bottom one if the left hand corner one won't work then that one is fine
thanks again
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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 25 Feb 2005 11:50 PM
zacatac927

Having got the typewriter effect to the bottom of the screen with this XML, you can just left justify your text with the normal title controls - Edit Title - Change text font and color - Position

This should make your text appear in the bottom left.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 26 Feb 2005 08:58 AM
thanks again Glow
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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2005 07:05 PM
Glow, dlk, Rehan and others (I'm sure I missed a few important ones)....

Way back when Rob started this website... in additon to posting about customized transitions and effects (and now text clips), he was going to have a place that all the good work you've been doing could reside someplace.

I dabble with the stuff a bit, but not the extent you get into it. What I'm not seeing (at least not yet, maybe someone is working on it in the back room), is an archive or library of info available for easy browsing and use.

I'm open to a new website page or section on my site, one that makes available all the custom XML info you are willing to openly share, which covers all the posts in these forums. My thought would be a video snippet with the code, showing the item in action, in addition to the code. Your posts in these forums are great... I'd like to help facilitate making the info available. I don't have server space issues, and would give all the credit (with the tech support work that goes with it) to whoever of you wants it... you're already doing it in the posts. You could put your logos in the video snippet that accompanies the code... and more than one snippet per code item would work even better.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2005 09:15 PM
Glow,
You must have posted that XML code exactly when
I posted my response to your earlier post. I only
just saw it now. I will have to take a look at it, thanks.

Papa John,
I am open to whatever you(or others) come up
with. I am afraid I take the shotgun approach and
just throw a lot of stuff out there, and maybe
something will hit the target. But I try to adhere
to any protocol, in order to keep things manageable.
Some of the things I try are just to exchange ideas, and
some of these things require a multi-step process, so
they are not so easy to post. But again, I have no
problem with any attempt to organize things in
a common spot.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2005 09:27 PM
I think it's great how you all bat the balls around... I don't suggest placing anything in a website too soon... but when the dust settles and everyone knows you have something new and great... then it's time to put it on a shelf someplace for display.... and use...

It should help take away the followup questions which takes away from your being able to let the creative juices flow...

Let's see what others think... and I'll check with Rob to see if he still has aspirations or plans for some kind of online library for the works....

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2005 10:56 PM
Pegson recently started a site to host transitions/effects at http://www.wmmarchive.tk/
This includes some preview thumbnails and I sent him a circle-in transition which required more than just XML.
I'm happy to continue to use that if it's ok with the MM elders.
Of course it would be nicer to just have one on-line forum instead of getting everyone to register twice.




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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2005 11:49 PM
thanks, I wasn't aware of it... a link to it is a whole lot easier than rolling out new pages... I'll go check it....

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2005 01:06 AM
I checked it out, browsed the transition and effect info, and joined the forum... thanks again.

I'll move toward adding a link to the site... maybe even close down some of the info I have if it's covered over there..

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2005 07:12 AM
I can volunteer to write up an introductory detailed article for this. Actually had started it a couple months ago after not finding time to finish up my titlemaker tool... but then the same reasons (no spare time) which stopped me to work on titlemaker interfered with the article as well.... LOL. Anyway I think I can finish it in a couple of days.

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Posted: 01 Mar 2005 02:49 AM
Hi Rehan,

I'm not sure what your thoughts are about where your article will reside... but I'm sure wherever it goes, it'll be well used... maybe it should be in more than one place.

I'd like to help sort out where it all goes and help spread the word... whatever it takes to do so. I wrote notes tonight to Rob and Pegson for their thoughts about where the library of good xml files (with video snippet examples) should end up...



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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 01 Mar 2005 05:12 PM
I was planning to request Rob to publish it on this very site.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 01 Mar 2005 05:15 PM
Rehan

I was hoping you'd volunteer since you've got a few months head start on the rest of us.

I've also written to Dean Rowe at Microsoft trying to convince him to publish the full details.

Maybe it would help if others also lobbied Microsoft for this information.


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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 02 Mar 2005 02:08 AM
I agree that the best source for this information is from MS. Although I have managed to compile a list of diffrent options for different parameters by experimentation, it still is a hack.

I hate to be skeptical but i wonder if MS had other plans... for example to sell this info etc. Recently they did similar thing with Phototstory 3 where they provided inside information about PS3's plugin architecture to Sonic directly for making a DVD plugin.

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Re: Can you use an XML file to alter in-built titles ?
Posted: 02 Mar 2005 12:03 PM
My checking shows

- hosting the rolled up 'hack' info is still on Rob's back burner... here's a quote from his email "...I'm glad Pegson is offering this now and I'm hoping that when the section of my site is complete we compliment each other..."

- and Pegson said about his new website - "... I plan on keeping this site for the long run...."

2 sites should be enough... I just need to know where to link to and refer others...

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