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samhogy is not online. Last active: 4/15/2013 4:13:31 PM samhogy
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Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 05 Jun 2006 11:35 AM
Hi, I was wondering if there is a way of possibly achieving this effect. I wish to use a motion background (it's one of Al's Noise motion backgrounds) as a background, with the main video playing in the centre of the screen, so in effect the motion background will act as a border. I understand that PIP+ is needed for this effect (which I have, yippee lol).

Many thanks,
Sam
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 05 Jun 2006 03:35 PM
This is actually quite simple. you just use Rehans SPLIT letterbox transition :-

<!-- Rehans Split Video effects.
June 20, 2004.
Freezing a transition in the middle to create a split video effect.
Comments and Suggestions to rehan@ntlworld.com -->

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{DE75D012-7A65-11D2-8CEA-00A0C9441E20}">
<Transition name="SPLIT: Vertical" iconid="41">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="1" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Vertical Soft" iconid="41">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="1" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="50" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Horizontal" iconid="40">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="2" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Horizontal Soft" iconid="40">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="2" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="50" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Inset, Top Left" iconid="27">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="3" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Inset, Top Right" iconid="28">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="4" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Inset, Bottom Right" iconid="25">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="5" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Inset, Bottom Left" iconid="24">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="6" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Center, Vertical" iconid="50">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="21" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Center, Horizontal" iconid="22">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="22" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.7" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Diagonal /" iconid="9">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="41" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Diagonal \" iconid="6">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="42" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Diagonal / Soft" iconid="9">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="41" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="50" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Diagonal \ Soft" iconid="6">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="42" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="50" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Rectangle" iconid="39">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="101" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="25" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Diamond" iconid="11">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="102" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="25" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Circle" iconid="80">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="119" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Circle, Soft" iconid="80">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="119" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="25" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Star 4" iconid="45">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="127" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="50" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.3" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Star 5" iconid="46">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="128" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="25" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.3" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Star 6" iconid="47">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="129" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="50" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Heart" iconid="18">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="130" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="25" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.3" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Heart Border" iconid="18">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="130" />
<Param name="BorderWidth" value="1" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="15" />
<Param name="BorderColor" value="16777215" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.3" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="SPLIT: Eye" iconid="3">
<Param name="MaskNum" value="122" />
<Param name="BorderSoftness" value="25" />
<Param name="Progress" value="0.5" />
</Transition>
</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

Copy this code into notepad and save it as rehansplit.xml . Restart WMM and look on transitions under the SPLIT transitions. Choose SPLIT letterbox and place the transition between the 2 videos. Hope this helps.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 05 Jun 2006 03:38 PM
And oh yea i forgot if you want to make the lettebox bigger from say :-

XXXXXXXXX .............
0000000000 that to 00000000
XXXXXXXXX ''''''''''''''''''

change the progress value in the XML. it will say ' value="0.7" ' ( 0.1 = 10% ) change it to your desired size.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 05 Jun 2006 09:06 PM
While split video transitions can also be used for this purpose but the original poster asked specifically for PIP+... so here goes: (works without requiring registration)

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0" SpecialIconFileID="1033" SpecialIconResourceID="101">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{4EF98DF5-794F-4fd3-8E77-559F82C8D10C}">
<Transition name="PIP+: B as frame Large " iconid="0">
<Param name="RectA" value=" 0.00, 0.15, 0.15, 0.7, 0.7" />
<Param name="RectB" value=" 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="PIP+: B as frame Small" iconid="0">
<Param name="RectA" value=" 0.00, 0.025, 0.025, 0.95, 0.95" />
<Param name="RectB" value=" 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="PIP+: B as frame Medium" iconid="0">
<Param name="RectA" value=" 0.00, 0.075, 0.075, 0.85, 0.85" />
<Param name="RectB" value=" 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0" />
</Transition>
</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>


You must have PIP Plus plugin. Copy paste the xml code above into notepad and Save As pp_basframe.xml in folder C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX. Confirm the file has .xml extension by turning off the "hide extensions of known file types" from Explorer > Tools > Folder options > View. Restart WMM.


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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 06 Jun 2006 10:06 AM
Stephenson and Rehan, I thank you both for your replies. I actually solved this last night, but I didn't know about the transition Rehan posted nor how to change the frame size. But I did use SPLIT: Rectangle. So both thanks very much.

If anyone's interested, here's the effect I achieved, which looks brilliant and professional.. for me :P
http://media.putfile.com/Test-16-71-86
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 06 Jun 2006 03:13 PM
Hey, that's pretty cool....I like it. I think making something like that in
Rehan's various sizes and then transitioning those clips from the large to small
box could give an interesting look....as if its fading out and away. Sort of a cool
ending with the music fading out too. Again, nice clip!
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 07 Jun 2006 02:14 AM
samhogy - What a fantastic idea you've come up with ! I'm really impressed with your example and the brand new possibilities it unlocks. When I first saw your post I had it in my mind that some sort of composite transition might work, but I tried it and it was rubbish!...I like the fact that the method you've used doesn't compromise quality - everything is crisp and clean as it should be....I'll be experimenting with this!

Thanks

Al
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 07 Jun 2006 07:56 AM
Thanks very much, I'm glad its went down well. What I am amazed by is when I reimported the motion backgrounds, and then trimmed the end (to basicaly stop the transition occuring), I then placed another clip of the same motion background next in line - you can't even notice the jump of the motion background, its very smooth!
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 07 Jun 2006 08:21 AM
If anybody's interested last night I quickly attempted to make a full title sequence out of this for my latest film. It's a bit scrappy as I have no videos of me on my laptop at the mo, I've had to use my mate KEV in all of the pictures, so bear with me on that!! As soon as we film some scenes after my exam I'll make a proper version, but this is really a good example of what can be done implementing this idea (and a few of Kathy's PI clips!)

The link is here - http://media.putfile.com/Damien-Newton-Title-Demo

I'm already trying to invent some music to it too!!
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 07 Jun 2006 01:33 PM
Nice - really nice !

BTW - I've just added a post on my site referring to this thread .

Good stuff

Al

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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 07 Jun 2006 01:41 PM
I'm honoured! So far I've had another go, I;ve managed to make it much smoother and that horrible light burst attempt has been made more Doctor-Who like. once we've filmed enough, I'll post it and I'm sure you'll love it. But really, i have to thank both yourself and Kathy for the motion backgrounds and the Particle Illusion clips!
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 12 Jun 2006 09:32 AM
I've updated the post on my site to include some of my own examples (not as good as samhogysSmiley) using a few custom split transitions which are also available for download.

Ta

Al
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 12 Jun 2006 09:38 AM
Lol thanks for that! If anybody is attempting to do this, I've got a great tip which just improves the flow of the motion background. Say that you have two four second clips you want to create a motion background border for. The way you would think of doing it:

1) Add motion background to timeline
2) Add clip 1 to timeline and apply a SPLIT Transition.
3) Add motion background to the timeline again
4) Add clip 2 to timeline and apply a SPLIT Transition

Does not really look that good. It can be very scrappy, especially as you will have to save the movie and reimport it to get rid of the little fraction-of-a-second clips remaining.

My advice would be in this situation to:
1) Apply the motion background to the timeline twice. Save this movie.
2) Start a new project. Add clips 1 and 2 without any transitions to the timeline. Save the movie.
3) Start a new project again, and add the two saved movies to the timeline.
4) Apply SPLIT: Transition, and drag as far left as possible.
5) Save the movie.

Hey presto, a perfect cut inbetween the two clips, surrounded by a flawless motion border!
Check my 1st example to see this in action.
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 12 Jun 2006 09:51 AM
Thanks very much for the useful tips. that'll be very useful for users attemting this technique.

Some careful forward planning and time is definitely a good thing to get the nice results.... :-)

Cheers

Al
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Re: Motion Background Border Question
Posted: 12 Jun 2006 10:02 AM
Yeah, it's a skill, there's so many ways of accomplishing things, and my method can be extended to x amounts of clips without losing any quality or synch with the motion backgrounds.
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