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Arthur is not online. Last active: 3/1/2007 8:07:44 AM Arthur
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Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 10:36 AM
Dear All

Just say you have a clip. You split this clip. On the left of the split you attach Fade Out To Black. On the right of the split you attach Fade In From Black.

Now you have an effect like sutting and opening you eyes.

How can you decrease the length of this effect? So that it is more like a blink of your eye than sutting and opening them slowly.

Many thanks

Arthur.
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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 11:59 AM
One thing you could do.........resave the clip with the fades....then split the clip to the left where the fade starts...then to the right where the fade ends....then to the section you have seperated....apply the effect to increase the speed by " speed up double"

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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 12:16 PM
This can be done with PIP+


<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0" SpecialIconFileID="1033" SpecialIconResourceID="101">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{4EF98DF5-794F-4fd3-8E77-559F82C8D10C}">
<Transition name="PIP+ quick fade to/from black" iconid="0">
<Param name="RectA" value=" 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;
0.45, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;
0.50, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0"/>

<Param name="RectB" value="0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.55, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.60, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;
1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0"/>
<Param name="Background" value="#000000" />

</Transition>
<Transition name="PIP+ quick fade to/from white" iconid="0">
<Param name="RectA" value=" 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;
0.45, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;
0.50, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0"/>

<Param name="RectB" value="0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.55, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.60, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;
1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0"/>
<Param name="Background" value="#FFFFFF" />

</Transition>
</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 01:04 PM
Mimomoviemaker has a relatively easy solution. Create a short black image of the desired length and just fade the clip before and after. If you wanted white, just switch the color. Or maybe something interesting, like a subliminal image to buy popcorn. Smiley
view post 46539

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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 02:44 PM
Thank you all.

Dear dlk

Is it possible to make that into a Video Effect rather than a Video Transition?

The reason I ask is that it seems a Video Transition requires the two pieces of the split film to be partly overlapping, which means some frames will be sort of lost if you know what I mean. Whereas a Video Effect allows both sections to sit side by side and therefore not losing any footage in an overlap. Or perhaps I am misunderstanding how these things work.

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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 03:08 PM
We can do that, but maybe we are just spinning our wheels.
Fade out and fade in are somewhat controlled by the length
of the clip. If you have a long clip or a very long clip...the
fade out would look about the same. But if you have a very
short clip, say under 1 second... it will be very quick.
So try this. Take your clip and break it right at the end. Apply
fade out on that very short clip, and it should fade very quickly.

dlk

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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 03:26 PM
OK that makes sense. What about this;

<Param name="RectB" value="0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.55, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.60, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;

Does changing any of these values affect the length of the fade?
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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 03:38 PM
yep...if you coded this:

<Param name="RectB" value="0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.59, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.60, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;

it would fade in more quickly.

Again...we could do an effect, and I coded one up but then I
thought it was probably a waste of time ...it looks just like fade out.


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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 03:55 PM
OK understood. And what change to the values would make it fade in more slowly. These numbers can be confusing so I thought I would ask.

Arthur
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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 04:03 PM
Those are time values...so if you decrease the time distance, the fade happens
more quickly. Increase, and the fade happens more slowly.
If you coded this:

<Param name="RectB" value="0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.50, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0;
0.99, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0;

The fade would last till almost the end of the clip. A slow fade indeed on
a 10 minute clip. As you can see, these are not fixed time values, but
percentages of the clip...so no matter what we code, the length of the
clip will ultimately control how quickly we fade.

dlk

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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 04:18 PM
Very interesting. Having read what you wrote I now think the only way I can get what I need is with an Effect. Because having experimented with this code more, and reading what you say, it seems that Transitions mean I will always lose a proportion of the clip I aply a transition to.

Also, I am going to upload an MTV filmclip so that you can see an example of this fade out to black fade in from black at the length I am trying to achieve....
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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 04:25 PM
PIP+ effects work the same way. They are controlled by
the length of the clip. In fact, my explanation above better
described an effect. The time in a transition is controlled
by the length that 2 clips overlay each other.


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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 04:50 PM
OK I think I understand. So the reason I am losing video is because with a transition the two pieces overlay each other.

Whereas with an effect they dont overlay each other. What would happen is that one clip would fade out to black and one would fade in from black and they would just sit side by side. Can you create such an effect? I understand WMM already has both of these effects but they are too slow. I need them to be quicker. And I dont know how to adjust the default settings of these two effects in WMM.

Arthur
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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 05:13 PM
I think dlk gave you the solution earlier. Let's say you wanted a 'blink' that was 1/2 a second. To do this, create a split at the end of the first clip that is a 1/4 second long. Apply the 'fade out' effect to this section. Split a similar 1/4 second section from the beginning of the second clip and apply the 'fade in' effect. Problem solved.

It's simple and doesn't need any additional overlapping, effects, transitions or whatever.

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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 05:22 PM
Humor me, and try this.
Make your 2 clips into 4 clips. In otherwords, make a cut at the
end of the first clip, and then another right after the start of the 2nd clip.
This will not affect how the clip plays, nor the smothness. At this
point these are just logical breaks. The easiest way to do this is to
start at the storyboard view, and click your mouse between the 2 videos.
Now switch to timeline view and your blue locator should be right
between the clips. Now, using the <|| button in the preview window,
click to go backwards about 6 frames(click it 6 times). Now hit
the cut button, switch back to storyboard view...right click on the
middle clip and apply fade out. Try it and see if you like that .
If so...click between 2nd and 3rd clip, switch to timeline and do the
same thing using the ||> button
I think that will suit your needs.(if 6 is too fast, try 7 or 8)

dlk


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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 10 Mar 2006 07:19 PM
Ah yes thank you both. That is the solution. And like all good ideas it is so simple I should have thought of it this way myself. Thanks once again.

Arthur
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Re: Fade Out To Black, Fade In From Black
Posted: 11 Mar 2006 02:18 PM
A single step solution for this: view post 46731.

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