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PapaJohn is not online. Last active: 2/23/2015 2:43:58 PM PapaJohn
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WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 09 Jul 2004 02:31 PM
Here's a copy of a new tip that I just added to the ongoing list at the SimplyDV.com forum:

The first of the new dual disc packs are out, with a standard DVD on one and WMV-HD (High Definition) files on the other. I have 11 of the sets so far, most of which were originally made to play in iMAX theatres. Most of the WMV-HD discs have two versions of the main feature, one 720p and the other 1080p (read like 720 and 1080 horizontal lines of resolution - progressive mode). They are 2-1/2 and 6 times the quality level of standard DVDs, but only playable on computers.

Beyond studying the files, I added a new branch to the main menu of my website. It's the WMV-HD one.

And to get the subject started off in the right direction with Movie Maker 2, I developed two custom profiles that emulate the 720p and 1080p file settings. They are on the website and downloadable via the links on the Intro page of the new section. Use them like you do other custom profiles.

For the lower quality one, I used settings of 1280x720 video size with a total bit rate of 6,393 Kbps.

The higher quality one is 1440x1080 video size with a total bit rate of 8,393 Kbps.

I've tested both. They render and playback fine. Smooth playback of the lower quality one needs a 2.4 GHz CPU. The higher quality one needs 3.0 GHz.

Unfortunately, in the audio area, rendering with Movie Maker 2 is limited to stereo, so I can't include 6 channel surround sound. You'll have to settle for CD quality stereo.

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 02 May 2005 01:09 AM
Where are the two custom profiles to emulate 720p and 1080p WMV?
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 02 May 2005 01:18 AM
The links are on my website (www.papajohn.org) > WMV-HD > Intro > in the comment block on the lower right.

Welcome to the forum...

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 12 Aug 2005 11:26 AM
John - is there a special camcroder needed that will allow me create WMV-HD movies? Would the sony hd cam work?
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 12 Aug 2005 11:40 AM
Yes, the new Sony HD ones (the ones made specifically to shoot high definition video), and whatever others are coming out with HD recording capabilities will work.

Movie Maker can handle the resolution.... the first hurdle is getting the video over to MM2.

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 01 Sep 2005 01:50 AM
You said that the WMV-HD will only play on the computer...with the profile for 720p, is it possible to burn to DVD and play on a DVD player onto an HDTV? Or can DVD players not handle that at this point?

I am thinking about using WMV-HD for a photo story - is that unecessary or might that work fine?

Thanks!
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 01 Sep 2005 02:38 AM
The MPEG-2 standard for high quality DVDs is 720x480.... a good bit less than 720p... you need to connect your computer directly to the HDTV rather than go thru a DVD player.

You'll need a custom profile... I have a 1704x960 profile on the Photo Story 3 > Saving page of my site... but not one that aligns with a 720p profile. You can make one.

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 27 May 2007 01:06 PM
Brand new here... have just started learning the software.

I plan on buying a Canon TX1 camera that produces High Definition AVI files. Obviously very large files (4GB for a 12 minute movie). I would like to be able to edit these with Movie Maker, then load them back onto the camera's SD card for connection and playback on my HD TV.

Is this a viable option?
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 27 May 2007 01:31 PM
You'll be able to make video of the same size as the TX1 shoots... up to 1280x720 pixels... but with Movie Maker it would be saved as a WMV file, not an AVI.

The challenge would be getting the WMV to an AVI file type that the camcorder would recognize and play. Do you know what if any compression codec the camcorder uses?

My math shows the file size as a bit less than DV-AVI, about half the size as your math shows... so it might be using the MPEG2 compression of HighDef files.

One website says a 32 MB card holds 12 seconds of AVI at 1280 x 720

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition) (TX1)
Posted: 27 May 2007 04:46 PM
Thanks much for the quick response... I think the 12 seconds for 32 MB sounds incorrect. Doing the math, it looks like 4GB (4000 MB) would record 25 minutes at that rate, which is about twice what most users report. The number reported by owners of the TX1 is about 12-13 minutes on a 4GB SD or SDHC card. From what I can gather (I don't own the camera yet) many complain about the huge file sizes. I was left with the impression that there's NO compression of the movie files, but then, I don't really know...

The camera supports BluRay, but the dilemma I face is to view a HD picture requires a BluRay recorder and player which isn't a practical answer. A cheaper alternative is somehow get an edited compatible AVI file back into the camera for HD playback. The camera comes with cabling to plug directly into ports on an HD TV. This seems to eliminate the ability to view edited HD movies, at least using Movie Maker. My DVD recorder/player doesn't play AVIs, at least according to the manual.

The camera comes with some kind of editing software which might turn out to be a solution... can hope so, as most raw (un-edited) video is pretty lame. It would be a pity to take nice HD movies and be forced to reduce them to SD quality to view them. If that turns out to be the case, it makes sense to record them in some lower quality and convert them into some format that can be burned onto a DVD for viewing.

The camera takes 7.1 mega pixel stills.

Thanks for your help...
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition) (TX1)
Posted: 27 May 2007 11:46 PM
I found a website with a 12 second sample Hi-Def video (1280x720) taken by the camera... I'm downloading the 51 MB file now... will check it...

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition) (TX1)
Posted: 28 May 2007 12:11 AM
GSpot says it's a Motion JPEG file... 1280x720, should be NTSC at 29.97 fps

I don't like using such files as source files in Movie Maker... but use Movie Maker if I can to convert them to something else.

If you're interested, here's a high quality 1280x720, 29.97 fps wmv file I made from the downloaded clip... the clip from the Canon is 54 MB and the WMV is 10.3 MB. I used a custom profile so the video bitrate is 6000 kbps, up there with the HighDef videos.

CanonTX1-Converted-toWMV

As I made the clip in Movie Maker... and the WMV is a good source file... yes, you can make projects from the clips and save them as comparable quality WMV files.

Your only hurdle is to convert them back to the Motion JPEG files needed for the camcorder... and copy them to the memory card such that the camera plays them.

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 16 Jul 2007 08:24 PM
i went to your site but, no download page. Two questions, how big is the file?, or can I find an easier way to do this for example with an xml?
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 16 Jul 2007 09:02 PM
the page is still there with the links, but they're in the page now, not in the comment block... below it.

the links are to custom profiles, which are very small files.... what you make with them is up to you, and can be pretty big.

I don't undertstand what you mean by doing it easier with xml.

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 16 Jul 2007 09:40 PM
is there such a thing as an xml that could restore the picture or make it better in quality?
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 16 Jul 2007 10:12 PM
not that I know of... my rule of thumb is that missing or lost quality stays that way, so it's best to take steps not to lose it in the first place.

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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 26 Jul 2007 02:45 PM
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Re: WMV-HD (High Definition)
Posted: 26 Jul 2007 07:26 PM
Hi does anyone know where I could download some free HD clips? Not of movies but motion/animated backgrounds like those on the animationfactory site..
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