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OKMovieMaker is not online. Last active: 9/28/2005 11:27:49 PM OKMovieMaker
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Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 20 Sep 2005 11:12 AM
I think some info has been posted on this before, but I'm new to WMM (and making movies in general) so I don't understand the posts or can't figure out if they're applicable. I'm making a movie that has an intro in black and white of people walking through town in slow motion. I have titles over the into with quotes - about 3-4 lines each. The problem is that the text is difficult to read with the moving background. I'd like to place something semi-transparent behind the text so you can still see the video around the edges, but it's not as noticable behind the text. One of the title anamiations (Wow!) has something similar to what I want to do, only I want a box behind the text rather than the star-like shape used in Wow.

So... is there a way to do this with what is available in WMM? I couldn't find a way. So I started looking around and have been playing with PIP Plus. I thought that I could create an effect with the semi-transparent (black or white, not sure which would work best) box in the middle with the video going on around and behind the box then use the title and credits in WMM to add the quotes on top. I figured out how to make a small box with the video using PIP Plus, but I actually want the video to remain the same size with a small semi-transparent box on top of the video. Can anyone tell me how to do this? Is there an easier or better way?

Thanks!
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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 20 Sep 2005 12:09 PM
Couple of ways to do this.
Make your PIP+ effect a PIP+ transition. RectA is full size, RectB is reduced
in size, and made semi transparent. Use your clip and an empty black title
image on the time line.
Or...
Use a semi transparent image(created in something like Photoshop) which has
complete transparency around the outer perimeter, and the semi-transparent
black square in the center. Then use PIP+ effect to lay that over your clip, and
then put your title over the top of that.

dlk
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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 20 Sep 2005 12:15 PM
Maybe a title overlay would be more suffiencient for this one. Since it involves not only overlaying a picture but as well as text. You can check Rehan's Custom Titles Page for an analysis of deeper waters of the process or you can visit my page (there's a link to it in my signature) and scroll down to The Script Types chapter and the logo explanation should help you achieve similar to what you're looking for ;). If you need assitance I would be happy to help with the coding :).

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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 20 Sep 2005 09:48 PM
I really like moviemakers idea of using a transparrency. It's always a common problem making text stand out against a busy background. Here is an overlay that may help:

http://backgroundfx.blogspot.com/2005/09/text-backgrounds.html

very tempted to get a collection together.

Al
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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 20 Sep 2005 11:21 PM
Thanks for all of the help! I had tried the transparency thing earlier, but I don't have software that allows me to create images with a transparent color. I really like the transparency on the website posted in the last response and may give that a try. I've also created a new title based on Blaine's suggestion. I'll take a look at the transparency and the new title and see which one looks the best. BTW, the link to Rehan's page was very useful because I also found the code to modify the subtitles. I wanted them lower on the screen, but didn't realize I could modify that outside of WMM. Thanks again for all of the suggestions!
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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 21 Sep 2005 03:59 AM
Here are some examples based on the news banner title.
These can accept multiple lines and use a banner background with or without gradient.
You can change the left/centre/right justification, colour and transparency with the usual user interface.
The default red background is a bit severe - I think a black background looks ok.
If you don't want a subtitle - you can always change the BoundingRect parameter to put the text elsewhere.


<!-- http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=27176 -->
<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">

<Title name="News Banner LeftFlood" iconid="13" >
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="News Banner LeftFlood fades in and out" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="false" />
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="ExitEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0 0.75 1 0.2" />
<Param name="BannerType" value="LeftFlood" />
<Param name="ShadowOutline" value="Shadow" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>
<Title name="News Banner LeftFlood gradient" iconid="13" >
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="News Banner LeftFlood with gradient fades in and out" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="false" />
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="ExitEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0 0.75 1 0.2" />
<Param name="BannerType" value="LeftFlood" />
<Param name="BannerColor2" value="#00000000" />
<Param name="ShadowOutline" value="Shadow" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>
<Title name="News Banner HorizontalFlood" iconid="13" >
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="News Banner full width banner fades in and out" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="false" />
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="ExitEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0 0.75 1 0.2" />
<Param name="BannerType" value="HorizontalFlood" />
<Param name="ShadowOutline" value="Shadow" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>
<Title name="News Banner HorizontalFlood gradient" iconid="13" >
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="News Banner full width banner with gradient fades in and out" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="false" />
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="ExitEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0 0.75 1 0.2" />
<Param name="BannerType" value="HorizontalFlood" />
<Param name="BannerColor2" value="#00000000" />
<Param name="ShadowOutline" value="Shadow" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>

<Title name="News Banner RightFlood" iconid="13" >
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="Newsbanner RightFlood fades in and out" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="false" />
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="ExitEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0 0.75 1 0.2" />
<Param name="BannerType" value="RightFlood" />
<Param name="ShadowOutline" value="Shadow" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>

<Title name="News Banner RightFlood gradient" iconid="13" >
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleStandard" />
<Param name="Description" value="Newsbanner RightFlood with gradient fades in and out" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="false" />
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="ExitEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0 0.75 1 0.2" />
<Param name="BannerType" value="RightFlood" />
<Param name="BannerColor2" value="#00000000" />
<Param name="ShadowOutline" value="Shadow" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>


</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 21 Sep 2005 07:11 AM
I don't have software that allows me to create images with a transparent color. I really like the transparency on the website posted in the last response and may give that a try

Hi OKMovieMaker

Thanks for the comment. That's given me the nudge to expand beyond the one example on show! I'll hopefully get somthing up over the next few days.

I've just test driven glows examples - superb!
Make sure you give em a trial spin with a mind to adjusting the parameters for your own needs.


BTW OKMoviemaker. That overlay I created was knoced up in just a few minutes on the free graphic software INKSCAPE . If you're inclined you can get it from here:

http://www.inkscape.org/

and there's a good tutorial here:

http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.php

Al
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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 21 Sep 2005 08:20 AM
I've been playing around actually putting text on an overlay transparrency. While I think there may be some mileage to the idea I don't think there is a particular "one glove fits all solution." I think you really need to create an overlay from scratch to suit the particular text and animation. For most this is probably to time consuming

I would most definitely go down the avenue of exploring Glows suggested text XML and some of the others.

Al
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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 21 Sep 2005 09:22 AM
I am assuming he wants something as simple as this...

mask

It could be done with an overlay image or a custom title...
but this was done quickly with PIP+ and no overlays.

dlk

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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 21 Sep 2005 01:34 PM
That looks good. Does the black transparrency automatically scale itself to the text?
How did you do it in PIP + ?
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Re: Title or PIP -- a better way?
Posted: 21 Sep 2005 02:17 PM
Here is the code...nothing automatic, the opacity is fixed
at what you set it for, in this case 60%. You just place
your clip on the timeline, and then add a black image(blank title
with black background) and then use the transition. If you want
a transparent white background....change the color of the title background.
Add your title overlay(basic title) over that. The window size and
location can be adjusted to fit you title needs i you don't like basic title .
Not as spiffy as your PNG images, but you could add a border to make
it look classy.

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0" SpecialIconFileID="1033" SpecialIconResourceID="101">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{4EF98DF5-794F-4fd3-8E77-559F82C8D10C}">
<Transition name="PIP+ 40/100 - transparent" iconid="0">
<Param name="RectA" value=" 0.0, 0.00, 0.00, 1.00, 1.00, 0.0"/>
<Param name="RectB" value=" 0.0, 0.30, 0.30, 0.40, 0.40, 1.0, 0.6;"/>
<Param name="Background" value="0x000000" />
</Transition>
</EffectDLL>
</Effects>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

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