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Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 12 May 2005 05:47 PM
I've got something for you guys to try out. Since I do not know how to do that blue screen overlay stuff....but you guys do.....and I don't need to....because PI will let me do it right on the clips....but so much for that....

This starts out with the blue screen...then a flash...like a nuke just droped...everything goes white....then the light reverses back on itself back to blue screen. Let me know if you find a good use for it. Hey Fish....maybe your next Pizza cooking movie? You blew up a city with the Jackhammer....maybe you can Nuke the state with your cooking....lol.

http://www.hill-clark.com/nukeme.avi

Edit: This clip can now be found on TheClipArchive.com on Katho's page, called 'nukeme.avi'.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 12 May 2005 05:47 PM
it's small size 320x240

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 12 May 2005 09:30 PM
Thanks for the effort, but it just doesn't key well.
Things that work well have crisp defined edges,
like those smiley faces. Here is what you get.

nuke

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 12 May 2005 10:36 PM
Oh well, it was worth a try....I guess I'll have to blow up Bigfish's kitchen myself....lol.

I'll keep an eye out for something with sharp edges. Why do we say..."keep an eye out"???
Looks like that would not only not look very good...but seems like it would hurt? hmmmm

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 13 May 2005 06:40 AM
Dave here is an effect for you to compose katho's effect over the picture of your cup:

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{9A43A844-0831-11D1-817F-0000F87557DB}" >
<Transition name="Comp A add B" iconid="0" comment="DXCOMPFUNC_A_ADD_B">
<Param name="Function" value="9" />
</Transition>
</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>


As usual copy paste into notepad and save as add.xml extension in folder C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX folder. Create the AddOnTFX folder if not there. Restart WMM.

Requires the effects like the nuke effect katho did to be made with black background... but for the current one we can just apply the Grayscale effect. Here is the result.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 13 May 2005 08:34 AM
Interesting.
So what would happen if Kathyo did grey fog on a black background?
Could you get the fog effect like Adorage can do?

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 13 May 2005 11:56 AM
yes that should work

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 13 May 2005 01:57 PM
DLK...here's a couple of foggy type clips I made for you to try out. One was originally a dust storm...but I changed the color(I just figured out how to do that)
and slowed it down a hair so it would look more foggy.

http://www.hill-clark.com/kathy/fog.avi
http://www.hill-clark.com/kathy/fog2.avi

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 10:53 AM
Rehan,

Can you explain the XML code above and how to use it? I created the transition (XML) just as shown above in the AddOnTFX. It now shows up as a new video transition.

So to use it, I put my static clip on the timeline, then the blast clip from Kathy, then another static clip. I put the transition before and after the blast clip. This seemed to work for the first half of the blast where the blast was composited over the clip. However for the second transition, it didn't work. I assume it is because the static clip is trying to be composited over the blast rather than the other way around.

So how did you make it work? Is there another way to overlay her effect on the static clip?

-=Blaine=-

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 11:02 AM
Actually, I think I figured it out by dragging the blast clip completely over the first clip so that it did all the compositing first.

However, I still would like to know how to use the transition over two pieces of video. For example, I have one clip of a guy pressing a button, and another of him covered in soot and everything in disarray. I want to do a transition from the first scene to the blast video (using the A add B composite transition), and then halfway through I want to transition to the second scene (using the opposite B add A composite). How would I create the opposite composite?

And for future reference, where would I look for a FAQ on interpreting/creating my own transitions via XML? For example, how did you know to use Function = 9 and that GUID?

-=Blaine=-

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 01:13 PM
Blaine,
I think you just have to do this in two passes. Combine your
2 clips(button and soot) into one movie. Also make a 2nd
version of the nuke clip with more blue at the end.
Then import those 2 clips and transition them together, so that
the blast is over the joined area of your original clips.
Keep in mind that MM2 has one big limitation(IMHO).... it
only has one video track. Otherwise...you could put your
2 clips running continuosly on one video track, and the nuke
clip running on the 2nd track, and transition it right over the top.
Anyway...I don't think there is an easier way in MM2.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 01:57 PM
I think I answered my own questions... I looked at the registry and found out the GUID that Rehan used pointed to the DirectX Image Transformation object. I did a search for DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Compositor and found the following page.

Microsoft Visual Filters and Transitions Reference

If you click on the link for Compositor and then Functions you'll see that "A add B" is function 9 and "B add A" is function 25.

The updated XML code is:
<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{9A43A844-0831-11D1-817F-0000F87557DB}" >
<Transition name="Comp A add B" iconid="0" comment="DXCOMPFUNC_A_ADD_B">
<Param name="Function" value="9" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="Comp B add A" iconid="0" comment="DXCOMPFUNC_B_ADD_A">
<Param name="Function" value="25" />
</Transition>
</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>


I was then able to put clip 1, A-B transition, blast avi, B-A transition, clip 2 and it worked. The only problem I noticed was that the sound got quieter at the start of the blast. I think WMM is trying to blend the sound tracks of the two clips and the blast avi doesn't have one so it just gets softer.

-=Blaine=-

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 02:35 PM
Ok...I see now what your propem was.
I thought you couldn't get the 2nd clip close enough
to the 1st clip...to make it look smooth...But the
problem was that the transition didn't work the same
when the nuke clip was 1st. Glad to see you worked it out.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 03:18 PM
It is hard to get the clips close enough but I did it as follows:

1) Add the clips to the timeline (1st, blast, 2nd)
2) Apply grayscale to the blast clip
3) Add the A-B transition between 1st and blast.
4) Add the B-A transition between blast and 2nd.
5) Drag 2nd clip to the middle of the blast clip.
6) Drag blast clip further into 1st clip until clips 1 & 2 meet.

I'm still working on the sound drop however. I think I'll need to add a sound track to the blast.avi to make it work.

-=Blaine=-

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 08:08 PM
Blaine well done for your invetigative work!!! I was going to suggest to use normal Blend for the 2nd part but yours (B_ADD_A) works better.

The audio is best done completely seperately... jus tmute the audio in the video channel and ctrl-drag the clip to music channel for independent audio.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 14 May 2005 09:42 PM
I've been reading this, and I'm still kind of confused, but I'm wondering if you can use any of the other features on the "Microsoft Visual Filters and Transitions Reference " site in Movie Maker. I tried to use some of the other function numebrs, but with no luck. I'm especially wondering if you can use the composoting feature like a "background remover" effect that has been suggested before.
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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 15 May 2005 01:13 AM
Hi jeb, I have used those with success. Which one didn't work for you?
Removing background is not a simple matter of a composition operation... it requires more complicated processing in the form of a custom plugin; and even then it would depend on how conformant the input is to the requirements of the custom filter.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 15 May 2005 11:08 PM
I tried the following xmls, one only showed a black screen, and one only showed one of the pictures that I tried to merge with the transitions. It is possibly that I don't fully understand teh compositing.
<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{9A43A844-0831-11D1-817F-0000F87557DB}" >
<Transition name="Comp 1" iconid="0" comment="DXCOMPFUNC_B_ADD_A">
<Param name="Function" value="22" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="Comp 2" iconid="0" comment="DXCOMPFUNC_B_ADD_A">
<Param name="Function" value="23" />
</Transition>
</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>
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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 15 May 2005 11:54 PM
According to Microsoft Compositor functions you've chosen a couple of interesting compositing functions (22 and 23).

Quoting from the page:
22 B OUT A. Display all parts of Input B that are not contained in Input A. No part of Input A is displayed.
23 B ATOP A. Display Input B over Input A, with each sample scaled by the alpha channel of Input A.

Not sure if this is what you intended or not... what effect were you trying to achieve in overlaying clip A and clip B using these functions?

-=Blaine=-

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 16 May 2005 05:57 AM
Note: Not all of the composition functions work in Movie Maker... Those functions are meant to be used with Alpha channel of the source which MM removes any alpha info from the video/image source before passing it to the effects.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 02 Jun 2005 09:09 AM
For anyone that still needs Kathy's nuclear blast file, it is loaded on TheClipArchive.com as "nukeme.avi" on Katho's clip page.

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 26 Jun 2006 02:09 PM
I am so confused.
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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 26 Jun 2006 02:17 PM
Yeah, this thread has gotten quite long... and it was the first time we learned about the 'Compositing' transition from Rehan, so there was a lot of questions and back and forth "discovery".

Here's the condensed version:

Step 1:
Make sure you have the following folder, if not create it:
C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX

Step 2:
Copy/paste the following code into Notepad (All Programs > Accessories > Notepad):

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{9A43A844-0831-11D1-817F-0000F87557DB}" >
<Transition name="Comp A add B" iconid="0" comment="DXCOMPFUNC_A_ADD_B">
<Param name="Function" value="9" />
</Transition>
<Transition name="Comp B add A" iconid="0" comment="DXCOMPFUNC_B_ADD_A">
<Param name="Function" value="25" />
</Transition>

</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>


Step 3:
Save this in C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX as composite.xml. Note: the .xml extension is important!

Step 4:
Restart Windows Movie Maker

Step 5:
Put two clips on the timeline, one normal, one with a mostly black background. Put the 'Comp A add B' transition between the two. Then overlap them as much as possible (too much and the clips may switch order).

When you preview the two, you should see the second clip composited (mixed) with the first. Essentially the pixels of the second clip are added to the first.

Edit: Someone pointed out that A+B = B+A, so there is actually no need for the Comp B add A transition. It's functionally equivalent. Ignore the lines in gray (remove them when copying)</i>

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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 20 Sep 2009 10:02 AM
it will not work for me. I copy/paste it onto the notepad, name it composite.xml, close out wmm, and bring it back up, but I can't find it on transitions. much less the explosion thing I copied. this method has worked for me before, but not now. im using Vista FYI.
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Re: Nuke white light on blue screen....attn Bigfish and Dlk
Posted: 20 Sep 2009 11:14 PM
Hi JTFactor, welcome to the forum. The 'comp a add b' discussed on this thread is for XP only. The best way to tell, is to look at the first line of the code...it says 'version 1.0'....that means it is for XP. The code for Vista, will say 'version 2.8'. You can find many custom codes for Vista at this thread view post 126998. Note that many will require Rehan's ShaderTFX plug-in. Check out the items available, and use the forum to learn a lot about Movie Maker. Have fun.
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