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VideoPerson is not online. Last active: 5/20/2008 9:01:04 AM VideoPerson
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PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 11:26 AM
This is probably one of the single most important video effects used in major television news and I can find no way of achieving it with Movie Maker. It can be approximated but it still has a major problem:

1. You cant get out of it

I would like the over-the-shoulder transition to slide in from the right and then slide out to the right
at a specific time.

Can this be done?

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9d8f5a09b0.jpg

P.S. You may ask, if it's so important why not just get a better editing program?

I am using a Asus eeePC for light field video production work in the field. It has become clear that most commercial editing programs are bloated, resource hogs and only Movie Maker makes efficient use of memory and resources. To produce usable news video in the field I really only need the all important blue screen, over-the-shoulder and the lower third (sub title) effects.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 12:06 PM
Hi,
This can easily be done with PIP+, if you have it or are willing to install it.

dlk
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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 01:34 PM
I appreciate the quick response.

Easily?

I'm lost. I downloaded the package and installed it but see nothing like what I'm looking for. The tiny boxes that can appear in the corners of the screen and that one where a video box bounces around over a pink background might be "something" like it but, heck if I can figure out how to edit the things.

All I'm looking for is the ability to place video OVER video in a box that the ENTERS and LEAVES the video it is playing over at a user specified time.

Like in a news program.

The host is speaking and then a video in a box enters the screen AS THE HOST IS STILL SPEAKING AND VISIBLE and then the boxed video exits to reveal the host. The boxed video enters and then exits the base video with the host.

The closest thing I've found are the video splits. Very nice, but they are hard cuts in and out.

It may be beyond the scope of Movie Maker. I just thought I'd give it a try. Maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly.

Thanks
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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 01:48 PM
Sorry, I wasn't very clear.
When I said it can easily be done, I didn't mean it had been done yet.
Give me an hour, and I will create it . Check back at 1:45 CST.

dlk


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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 02:33 PM
Ok, here you go. Copy this to into notepad and save as an XML file
into c:/program files/ movie maker/ shared/ AddOnTfx.

As long as you are familiar with MM2, you'll understand the limitations.
You can't place one video track directly under another, so you can't
dynamically control where the 2nd window slides in/out. You need to
overlay the 2 clips, and the amount of the overlay somewhat controls
when things happen. The code below brings in CLIPB about halfway
through the transition, and stays for a short time and then slides out.
You can tweak the code to also control the timing of those events.

The other limitation is the dimensions of the rectangle. You portrayed
a non-standard rectangle, and PIP+ doesn't handle that so well.
You probably want a talking head, and would like to be able to crop
the sides on the fly. PIP can change the rectangle, but doesn't crop.
If these are the issue you wanted to resolve... then sorry.

But this will work...

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Transitions>
<TransitionDLL guid="{4EF98DF5-794F-4fd3-8E77-559F82C8D10C}">
<Transition name="@PIP+ slide in newscaster" iconid="0">
<Param name="RectA" value=" 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0, 1.0;
"/>
<Param name="RectB" value=" 0.0, 1.10, 0.10, 0.4, 0.4, 1.0, 1.0;
0.5, 1.10, 0.10, 0.4, 0.4, 1.0, 1.0;
0.55, 0.55, 0.10, 0.4, 0.4, 1.0, 1.0;
0.7, 0.55, 0.10, 0.4, 0.4, 1.0, 1.0;
0.75, 1.10, 0.10, 0.4, 0.4, 1.0, 1.0;
"/>
<Param name="BorderB" value="Black, 4" />
<Param name="Background" value="Black" />
</Transition>
</TransitionDLL>
</Transitions>
</TransitionsAndEffects>


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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 02:43 PM
Oh... and of course the size and location of clip be
can be adjusted. This is all very custom, within the XML.

As soon as you add that slick user interface, with all the
powerful control... it becomes a bloated, resource hog.


dlk
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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 04:31 PM
Wow! I am very thankful for the excellent work!

I think I've learned something about "titles". It may be that a title effect would do what I'm looking for more easily and with more control over time. The code you have written looks great but returning to the newscaster is still a problem because the effect is a transition.

I found a piece of code by "Glow" that looks like it has potential but I don't know if you can pull a video file or static graphic in to a title effect. What Glow did was to push the Newscaster to the left or right without compression and have a credit roll up the opposite side. And there's that awful red banner at the top.

If the code could be written to push the Newscaster left or right and then place either moving video or a graphic file in the credit roll area, that would be a useful effect. And as a title overlay it would trans out at whatever length you drag the effect to. Getting rid of that red banner would be necessary too. ( and to get REAL picky, a soft edge would be nice)

In terms of the code you have written- If it operated like an overlay that would be ideal.

My thanks again for your work.
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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 04:32 PM
I forgot to post the code. Sorry:

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">
<Title name="Video Slide Left No Squeeze" iconid="13" EffectID="{1C7F2C14-A1F3-4183-835F-398E234A6407}">
<Param name="InternalName" value="CreditStandard" />
<Param name="DescriptionID" value="62985" />
<Param name="CreditLineOverlap" value="0.68" />
<Param name="IsHeaderFullTime" value="true" />
<Param name="MainVideoRect" value="-0.25 0.0 1.0 1.0" />
<Param name="OptimalDurationMultiplier" value="2.0" />
<Param name="MaxCharacterCount" value="24" />
<Paragraph>
<Param name="RenderOrder" value="RenderLast" />
<Param name="BannerType" value="LeftFlood" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.1 0.4 0.1" />
<Param name="EntranceEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="EntranceDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="ExitEffect" value="EffectFade" />
<Param name="ExitDuration" value="1.0" />
<Param name="IsOneLine" value="true" />
<Param name="ForceCenterAlignment" value="true" />
</Paragraph>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="EntrancePosition" value="0.5 1.3" />
<Param name="ExitPosition" value="0.5 -0.3" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.5 0.2 0.4 0.25" />
<Param name="VerticalAlignment" value="Bottom" />
<Param name="FontSize" value="16.0" />
</Paragraph>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="EntrancePosition" value="0.5 1.3" />
<Param name="ExitPosition" value="0.5 -0.3" />
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.5 0.45 0.4 0.35" />
<Param name="VerticalAlignment" value="Top" />
<Param name="FontSize" value="25.0" />
</Paragraph>
</Title>


</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>
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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 05:59 PM
If you want video on video, I am afraid you will need to use a method
like I suggested, and then clean up the messy ending with a fade to black,
or a second pass where you cut out the messy ending. There are numerous
way to clean it up, or fake it out.

If you just want a still image to slide over-the-shoulder, then a title effect
would be a very good solution, and Glow's title would be a good place
to start. We could get rid of the banner and such, and using a title
without text is no problem.

DLK

Oh, and I just thought of another way we could write the PIP+ transition.
You could do the transition in reverse, and have the inset video as the
first clip on the video track.
So follow this idea.

Black overlay title hiding CLIPA at the start
The transition starts with CLIPB in full screen,
so the title overlay fades out and CLIPB shows.
CLIPA finally shows up in the transition as it slides in.
CLIPA slides out.
CLIPA ends while CLIPB continues on in full screen.

With a minor change to the transition...you could do it all
in a single pass. Duh! Should have done that to begin with.




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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 18 May 2008 08:34 PM
Oops, my plan has one flaw... controlling when the content of
the inset clip starts playing, so it starts at the right point when it
slides over. I guess you would need to put a leader on the
front of the inset clip, so while the transition is playing without
the inset clip showing, it can run but not "waste" the real stuff.
It makes things more complicated now...but still do-able.
Oh well.


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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 20 May 2008 09:01 AM
dlk, I think I've reached an impasse. I really appreciate your time on this. Movie Maker does what it does and I think I need to work within the constraints and just accept it. You have some great user generated effects here and a lot of useful material.

Thanks Again
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Re: PLEASE HELP News style over-the-shoulder transition
Posted: 23 May 2008 01:21 PM
Actually After effects would accomplish what you are seeking in a cinch.

But...You will pay a ton for after effects so theres the fine line.

True higher end video editng programs are huge resource hogs but they are more stable then WMM. I use after effects and it never crashes vs WMM which is less stable that crashes constantly. I have chosen to stay with WMM cuz it is a decent editing program so i dont see the need yet to buy a more expensive editing program to finalize my movies. I use after effects (which is not an editing program) for titles and other fx that WMM cannot accomplish or accomplish with ease.
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