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LetterBox Question
Posted: 13 Mar 2005 09:38 PM
i was wondering with a letterbox transition is it possible to make the letter box area bigger at the top than at the bottom.

like this
http://www.arronpegg.com/letter_boxoncanu.JPG

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 13 Mar 2005 10:55 PM
Hi,
The short answer is no.
The long answer:
That wipe transition is what's called a barn door.

22-Barn doors, horizontal

So, in actuality...the real transition is supposed
to be horizontal doors opening to the next image.
The trick is to freeze it at 80% of it's progress, and
transition from a black image, giving the letter box
look. You can adjust the progress, so the doors have
opened more or less, but you cannot adjust each side
individually. You could use a chroma key transition,
or a title overlay(now that Glow and Rehan have
opened this up for us)

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 13 Mar 2005 11:24 PM
ok thanx for the help, i dodnt think it was possible with a simple xml code.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 13 Mar 2005 11:46 PM
Hi,
PIP+ could do it, but the problem is that the video is
always rezised to fit in the window. Some people,
like Papa John have used the Compositor Transition
to do PIP. That allows you to control the size of the
underlying video/photo, and the size of the window.
So, that would do the trick. But that thing is a pain in
the neck to work with, because the preview window
doesn't always show you what you will end up with.
How bad do you want/need this?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/archive/default.asp?url=/archive/en-us/directx9_c/directx/htm/compositortransition.asp

The title overlay method actually uses simple XML code,
to load in the overlay. You just need to make a transparent
overlay

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 14 Mar 2005 01:19 AM
I hacked the sports scoreboard title like this


<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">
<Title name="@Letterbox Asymmetric" iconid="13" comment="http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=13040">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleMultiTitles"/>
<Param name="Description" value="Lower Letterbox"/>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="RenderOrder" value="RenderLast"/>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.9 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="BannerType" value="LowerFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.2 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="BannerType" value="UpperFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
</Title>
</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 14 Mar 2005 03:45 AM
thats exactly wat i wanted, your a Genius Glow. Thanx Alot

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 14 Mar 2005 08:19 AM
Aha!
Sometimes there are many ways to solve a
problem, the key is to find the best one.


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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 14 Mar 2005 08:34 AM
Good thinking glow.

Quick question. Whats the reason for using the @ symbol in the name? Just for easier differentiation?

Although this is definitely a better way to do this particular effect, but there is an old way to it too which is more general.

Look at my split screen transitions which use the standard SMPTE wipes to split the screen. When used with a completely black image or a blank title (a space as text) with black background color, one can introduce that shape as the border. For any non-standard shape one can make the mask image himself which is all black and white (e.g. this). The white areas would show ImageA and black areas show ImageB.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 14 Mar 2005 07:56 PM
Rehan

Indeed I use the @ just to make it easier to spot my customised title/effect/transition in what is now becoming a long list.
With transitions and effects they are listed in alphabetical order so my customised ones are at the top of the list and saves me from having to scroll through the list particularly while I'm just experimenting and frequently closing and opening MM.

One annoying side effect of using transitions to do masking like this is that you cannot get a complete overlap - you always have to have one frame which is not overlapped.
You also can't do another transition while the mask is applied.
Now that we are playing with titles, we have a bit more flexibility.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 15 Mar 2005 07:36 AM
A generic solution also exists for the Titles of course. Via LogoBitmap parameter used with a transparent png file.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 03 May 2005 07:14 PM
Is there a way to modify any of the params to make the black areas larger or smaller?
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 03 May 2005 07:23 PM
The parameter BoundingRect governs the sizes of the black areas.
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="x y width height"/>
x and y are the relative coordinates of the top left of the box where 0 0 is the top left of screen and 1 1 is the bottom right.
width and height are the relative width and height of the box with 1 being the original width or height.
So you can play with these until you get what you want.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 03 May 2005 07:25 PM
Cheers I'll have a crack!
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 15 Feb 2006 08:22 PM
Ok, What the h*ll? everytime I try to change the size, ( i need it balanced, not as wide as the top but wider than the bottm) It just turns my screen black! I need to have this done by tomorrow evening!! (2/16/06) and turned in Fri morning! (2/17/06)
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 15 Feb 2006 09:10 PM
It might help if you post the XML you are using and perhaps a screenshot of what you are trying to do.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 16 Feb 2006 03:50 PM
I'm Using the Xml code you provided and everytime i try to chance the thicknesses of the bars ( because the top bar is so big it cuts off my char's hreads) it makes the screen go black
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 16 Feb 2006 06:19 PM
Well if you're not going to post the exact code you're using it's a bit difficult to figure out what's wrong. So I'll take a guess that this is what you want. All I've done is change the upper flood rectangle to start at 0.1 instead of 0.2 down the screen and change the description and title name to just Letterbox.

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">
<Title name="Letterbox" iconid="13" comment="http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=13040">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleMultiTitles"/>
<Param name="Description" value="Letterbox"/>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="RenderOrder" value="RenderLast"/>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.9 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="BannerType" value="LowerFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.1 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="BannerType" value="UpperFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
</Title>
</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 17 Feb 2006 06:50 AM
Sorry for being a pain, i was using this code (that you posted above)

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">
<Title name="@Letterbox Asymmetric" iconid="13" comment="http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=13040">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleMultiTitles"/>
<Param name="Description" value="Lower Letterbox"/>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="RenderOrder" value="RenderLast"/>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.9 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="BannerType" value="LowerFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.2 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="BannerType" value="UpperFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
</Title>
</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>

and I'm sorry, that new code dosent even appear in my list
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 03:33 AM
I guess it's now too late for your project.
I'm really confused about what you are doing.
Does the original asymmetric letterbox work for you?
What are you doing to change the thickness of the bars?

With my revised code, where are you saving it?

Did you restart MM?
If you have a lot of titles, then you can jump to the one you want in the list by repeatedly pressing the first letter e.g. "L" for letterbox.
Note that unlike the effects/transitions, the titles are not sort in an obvious alphabetical order.



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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 03:12 PM
Well, I still need to know for other projects, here's what i do:
I took your origional code, pasted into Notepad, and then saved as an xml in C:...yada yada yada...AddOnTFX. next i went to WMM and opened my finished project, then went to the first clip clicked add title on, thenselected your code. But the top one was too thick and cut the heads off of my charicters ( It's a Halo2 Machinima ), so i came back here, found a reference to adjusting the size:

"Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 05-03-2005 07:23 PM
The parameter BoundingRect governs the sizes of the black areas.
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="x y width height"/>
x and y are the relative coordinates of the top left of the box where 0 0 is the top left of screen and 1 1 is the bottom right.
width and height are the relative width and height of the box with 1 being the original width or height.
So you can play with these until you get what you want. "

Then when i tried to change the numbers, when i saved, closed WMM, Opened it again, then put it into my movie, instead of the top and bottom being black, the whole screen was black.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 03:18 PM
This here is the line i tried to change:

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0">
<Titles>
<TitleDLL guid="{353359C1-39E1-491b-9951-464FD8AB071C}">
<Title name="@Letterbox Asymmetric" iconid="13" comment="http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=13040">
<Param name="InternalName" value="TitleMultiTitles"/>
<Param name="Description" value="Lower Letterbox"/>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="RenderOrder" value="RenderLast"/>

-------------> <Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.9 0.8 0.1"/> <------------

<Param name="BannerType" value="LowerFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
<Paragraph>
<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.2 0.8 0.1"/>
<Param name="BannerType" value="UpperFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>
</Paragraph>
</Title>
</TitleDLL>
</Titles>
</TransitionsAndEffects>
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 19 Feb 2006 04:30 PM
Ok now I see the confusion.
When I wrote the original, it's confusing because the bar at the top is actually configured by the parameters at the bottom in the "UpperFlood" paragraph.
Conversely the lower bar is configure by the upper paragraph with the "LowerFlood".

It might have been more logical to have them the other way around.

So to change the top bar you actually change the paragraph with the "UpperFlood".

The title I posted on the Feb 17 should have been pretty close. I don't understand why it doesn't show up for you.

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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 19 Feb 2006 10:22 PM
Right, so i change this?

<Param name="BoundingRect" value="0.1 0.2 0.8 0.1"/> <-----------------------
<Param name="BannerType" value="UpperFlood"/>
<Param name="BannerColor1" value="Black"/>

and what should i change it to?
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 28 Feb 2006 02:47 PM
Hello,

I created a new simple letterboxing effect - you can download it at http://www.arcacy.com/letterboxer. It takes 16:9 video and makes it 4:3 letterbox. I'm not sure if you were starting with 16:9 or if you just had 4:3 and wanted to mask it to look widescreen, but if you have 16:9 then this would be helpful.

A very simple mod to my xml file will allow you to adjust where you want the black bars to be placed. Once you download it, open the letterboxer.xml file in notepad, and find the line:

<Param name="MainVideoRect" value="0.0 0.125 1.0 0.75" />

The second number (currently at 0.125) determines how high or low on the 4:3 screen the 16:9 video appears. Setting it to 0.0 will put all of the black on the bottom of the screen, and setting it to 0.25 will put all of the black at the top - 0.125 makes the black bars even like in regular letterbox format. Set that number anywhere between 0.0 and 0.25 to modify the thicknesses of the black bars.

Complete instructions for using the letterboxer are at the website: http://www.arcacy.com/letterboxer. Hope this is helpful!

Thanks,
Steve
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Re: LetterBox Question
Posted: 28 Feb 2006 03:49 PM
True, most of the requests have been to mask 4:3 so that it looks like 16:9 in a 4:3 window. I too am surprised I haven't seen this requested directly or previously implemented.

Placing 16:9 video into a 4:3 window (using a title) is straightforward using your method. Your XML gets the job done. Some of the extra paragraphs and empty parameters could be removed (you need the MainVideoRect but others could be at their defaults).

Anyway, that was a long way to say, "good job!"

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